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	<title>Comments on: Session 23: March 10th, 2010 &#8211; The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, chps 3-6</title>
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		<title>By: Kiki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kiki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 08:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think &quot;good witch&quot; is an archetype.  My image of  &quot;witch&quot; has been &quot;black.&quot; She wears a pointed black hat, and maybe has a black cat. I think archetypal witch is black.  Glinda is the only one good witch (a white witch) I know.  Did Lewis make the witch white and malicious (Queen Jadis) based on Snow Queen by Andersen? Or some other white witch?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think &#8220;good witch&#8221; is an archetype.  My image of  &#8220;witch&#8221; has been &#8220;black.&#8221; She wears a pointed black hat, and maybe has a black cat. I think archetypal witch is black.  Glinda is the only one good witch (a white witch) I know.  Did Lewis make the witch white and malicious (Queen Jadis) based on Snow Queen by Andersen? Or some other white witch?</p>
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		<title>By: Wardrobe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wardrobe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 00:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hikoichi is a joker character who appears in many Japanese regional tales .「天狗のかくれ蓑」(Tengu no kakure-mino) is a famous one. By cunning, Hikoichi obtains a  &quot;mino&quot;, a cloak made of straw,  from a character called Tengu (another stock character with a mask). This cloak can make one invisible, so taking advantage of it he puts it on and goes to a sake bar...

I&#039;ve heard that &quot;persona&quot; means both mask and personality. 
Jokers like Hikoichi play an important role in Japanese theater in the recent era.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hikoichi is a joker character who appears in many Japanese regional tales .「天狗のかくれ蓑」(Tengu no kakure-mino) is a famous one. By cunning, Hikoichi obtains a  &#8220;mino&#8221;, a cloak made of straw,  from a character called Tengu (another stock character with a mask). This cloak can make one invisible, so taking advantage of it he puts it on and goes to a sake bar&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard that &#8220;persona&#8221; means both mask and personality.<br />
Jokers like Hikoichi play an important role in Japanese theater in the recent era.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Sheffner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Sheffner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s true. Is the &quot;good witch&quot; or &quot;wise woman&quot; an archetype? Perhaps Jesus&#039; mother, the Virgin Mary, is herself an example of an even older archetype?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s true. Is the &#8220;good witch&#8221; or &#8220;wise woman&#8221; an archetype? Perhaps Jesus&#8217; mother, the Virgin Mary, is herself an example of an even older archetype?</p>
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		<title>By: Kiki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kiki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 08:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Conventionally &quot;witch&quot; seems to be a bad character, but I remember &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glinda&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Glinda&lt;/a&gt; (Witch of the South) of The Wonderful Wizard of Oz is an attractive good witch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conventionally &#8220;witch&#8221; seems to be a bad character, but I remember <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glinda" rel="nofollow">Glinda</a> (Witch of the South) of The Wonderful Wizard of Oz is an attractive good witch.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Sheffner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Sheffner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you. Here are some archetypes I know. Archetypes are, by definition, universal. Perhaps you can tell me if such characters exist in Japanese mythology or not.
&lt;ol&gt;	&lt;li&gt;the wizard/wise old man, e.g. Merlin, Gandalf&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;the trickster, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_joker&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;joker&lt;/a&gt; (this archetype pops up in modern popular literature in the Batman stories, and also as &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loki&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the Loki mask&lt;/a&gt;&quot; in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_carrey&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jim Carrey&lt;/a&gt; movie &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mask_%28film%29&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Mask&lt;/a&gt;, and I would say the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lupin_the_third&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lupin the Third&lt;/a&gt; is a modern Japanese version of this archetype)&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Knight;&lt;/a&gt; Japanese equivalent is of course the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samurai&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;samurai&lt;/a&gt;; we are here talking about the mythological character, not the historical reality&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ol&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you. Here are some archetypes I know. Archetypes are, by definition, universal. Perhaps you can tell me if such characters exist in Japanese mythology or not.</p>
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<li>the wizard/wise old man, e.g. Merlin, Gandalf</li>
<li>the trickster, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_joker" rel="nofollow">joker</a> (this archetype pops up in modern popular literature in the Batman stories, and also as &#8220;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loki" rel="nofollow">the Loki mask</a>&#8221; in the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_carrey" rel="nofollow">Jim Carrey</a> movie <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mask_%28film%29" rel="nofollow">The Mask</a>, and I would say the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lupin_the_third" rel="nofollow">Lupin the Third</a> is a modern Japanese version of this archetype)</li>
<li>the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight" rel="nofollow">Knight;</a> Japanese equivalent is of course the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samurai" rel="nofollow">samurai</a>; we are here talking about the mythological character, not the historical reality</li>
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		<title>By: Kiki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kiki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What are some Japanese archetypes?&quot;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oni_(folklore)&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Oni&lt;/a&gt; is considered to be Japanese archetype.  Oni first appeared in &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kojiki&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kojiki&lt;/a&gt;, or The Record of Ancient Matters, completed in 712.  Oni are similar to demons, goblins, ogres, devils or trolls known in different cultures.  Oni has a human figure, ferocious scarlet (or blue) face with his mouth split to ears, horns and fangs, and mostly have iron rods in his hand.  Oni capture people and eat them.  Oni, however, is not always labelled as evil  but is a rather complex character because it sometimes has a benevolent nature as well as a demonic one; for example, some Oni walk at the head of processions in rituals, sweeping away evil spirits, or Oni Gawara (Goblin roof tiles) are put on the ridge of the roof to ward off evil spirits.  

As suggested, Yamanba would be equivalent to Western &quot;witch&quot;.  However, Yamanba has two aspects like Oni and there is something of human touch sometimes, so in that sense, it&#039;s not like Witch of the West who is always seen as &quot;bad.&quot;  

Personally, I&#039;m much more scared by Hannya than Oni or Yamanba, and have been scared of it since my childhood.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.co.jp/imglanding?q=hannya%20mask&amp;imgurl=http://www.elvenstarart.com/Galleries/GalleryImages/ACEO/HannyaMaskCommission.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://www.elvenstarart.com/Galleries/ACEO/HannyaMaskCommission.html&amp;h=450&amp;w=326&amp;sz=60&amp;tbnid=vZBakw1zjRJmYM:&amp;tbnh=127&amp;tbnw=92&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dhannya%2Bmask&amp;hl=ja&amp;usg=__89ezKghbbVY4M5gQ383WYwZqCXw=&amp;ei=PvKYS6PmL4ze7AP869TGCA&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=image_result&amp;resnum=10&amp;ct=image&amp;ved=0CB0Q9QEwCQ&amp;start=0#tbnid=vZBakw1zjRJmYM&amp;start=9&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hannya&lt;/a&gt; has two sharp horn sprout from the temples, gaping mouth full of gold teeth with upper and lower fangs. So scary!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What are some Japanese archetypes?&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oni_(folklore)" rel="nofollow">Oni</a> is considered to be Japanese archetype.  Oni first appeared in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kojiki" rel="nofollow">Kojiki</a>, or The Record of Ancient Matters, completed in 712.  Oni are similar to demons, goblins, ogres, devils or trolls known in different cultures.  Oni has a human figure, ferocious scarlet (or blue) face with his mouth split to ears, horns and fangs, and mostly have iron rods in his hand.  Oni capture people and eat them.  Oni, however, is not always labelled as evil  but is a rather complex character because it sometimes has a benevolent nature as well as a demonic one; for example, some Oni walk at the head of processions in rituals, sweeping away evil spirits, or Oni Gawara (Goblin roof tiles) are put on the ridge of the roof to ward off evil spirits.  </p>
<p>As suggested, Yamanba would be equivalent to Western &#8220;witch&#8221;.  However, Yamanba has two aspects like Oni and there is something of human touch sometimes, so in that sense, it&#8217;s not like Witch of the West who is always seen as &#8220;bad.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;m much more scared by Hannya than Oni or Yamanba, and have been scared of it since my childhood.  <a href="http://www.google.co.jp/imglanding?q=hannya%20mask&amp;imgurl=http://www.elvenstarart.com/Galleries/GalleryImages/ACEO/HannyaMaskCommission.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://www.elvenstarart.com/Galleries/ACEO/HannyaMaskCommission.html&amp;h=450&amp;w=326&amp;sz=60&amp;tbnid=vZBakw1zjRJmYM:&amp;tbnh=127&amp;tbnw=92&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dhannya%2Bmask&amp;hl=ja&amp;usg=__89ezKghbbVY4M5gQ383WYwZqCXw=&amp;ei=PvKYS6PmL4ze7AP869TGCA&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=image_result&amp;resnum=10&amp;ct=image&amp;ved=0CB0Q9QEwCQ&amp;start=0#tbnid=vZBakw1zjRJmYM&amp;start=9" rel="nofollow">Hannya</a> has two sharp horn sprout from the temples, gaping mouth full of gold teeth with upper and lower fangs. So scary!</p>
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		<title>By: War Drobe</title>
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		<dc:creator>War Drobe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 07:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding archetypes, as opposite idea of that of Witch, enchantment is done variously as miracle for honest people in Japanese fairy-tales. And &quot;Oni&quot; is an evil character to be defeated and considered to live at a distance, who turns up in many tales as if they were in our mind.
In the story,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kca.co.jp/~nuts/tanoshi/akaoni.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;「泣いた赤鬼」&lt;/a&gt;by 浜田　廣介（Hamada Hirosuke), two Oni are kind. They remind me of the Faun in &quot;The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding archetypes, as opposite idea of that of Witch, enchantment is done variously as miracle for honest people in Japanese fairy-tales. And &#8220;Oni&#8221; is an evil character to be defeated and considered to live at a distance, who turns up in many tales as if they were in our mind.<br />
In the story,<a href="http://www.kca.co.jp/~nuts/tanoshi/akaoni.htm" rel="nofollow">「泣いた赤鬼」</a>by 浜田　廣介（Hamada Hirosuke), two Oni are kind. They remind me of the Faun in &#8220;The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe&#8221;.</p>
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